Do you ever feel like your faith is just another checkbox? Like you’re going through the motions, doing all the “right” things—going to church, saying your prayers, cracking open your Bible—but something still feels like it's missing?

In this episode, we’re peeling back the layers on “lukewarm” Christianity and why it’s so easy to slip into it. If you’ve ever felt the quiet tug for something more—a deeper connection, a real purpose, a faith and relationship with God that’s alive and active—this conversation is for you.

We get real about our own personal experiences being lukewarm, the unspoken dangers of it, and why settling for this "shallow" way of following God costs us way more than we realize.

Join us in exploring what it means to go ALL in with God - and step into the freedom that comes when you let him lead and transform every part of your life!

Ever feel like no matter how much you do, it’s still not enough? Like you’re on this exhausting hamster wheel, chasing the next task, project, achievement, or something else... but never really "arriving"?

In Part 2 of this conversation on how to free ourselves from hustle culture, we’re diving into why we feel this way and how our fast-paced, busyness-glorifying world - along with all the pressures from family and society - keeps us stuck in that cycle.

Join us as we talk about everything from FOMO to invisible scripts that leave us feeling anxious and drained (especially for us personally as Asian American children of immigrants) - and how to actually break free from them.

We also share real, practical ways that have helped us learn to live and work out of a place of rest (even if you’re not sure where to start) and how to "be still" with God WHILE doing work and fulfilling our God-given callings - without overcomplicating it.

We’re diving into a topic today that feels more real than ever... especially as we all feel the weight of increasing responsibilities, roles, and expectations as we get older.

It’s no secret that the pressures of adulting, career, and hustle culture all around us often perpetuate a constant cycle of stress and restlessness... So how do we resist and find freedom from the hustle?

This episode is part 1 of our conversation where we open up about how, for us, spending intentional time with God has played a HUGE role doing just this - including these past few months.

Join us as we unpack why spending time with God can often feel so hard and elusive - and share practical tools that you can apply right away for making time with God a priority (even if you're not a morning person!).

We hope this conversation helps demystify what it really looks like to escape the hustle and anchor yourself in the very real and accessible presence of God.

Hey friends! We. Are. BACK!!!

Oh man, these past few months have been FULL of transitions—pregnancy updates, Alex stepping back into corporate life, deepening our spiritual foundations—and it's all been a mix of both ups and downs.

We’re excited to catch up with you all, share some real-life real-TIME lessons we've been learning along the way, and dig into the messiness of transitions and the uncertainties of not knowing what’s ahead or what to do next...

If you’re feeling the pull to step into something new, but perhaps are holding back because of fear or uncertainty... we get it. We talk through the tension of wanting to be somewhere else in life but feeling stuck where you are right now—and what we've found personally helpful in gaining clarity around how/where God is leading AND having internal peace amidst all the external uncertainties.

Grace grew up thinking it normal to work late nights (all the time), pack her schedule, push her body to its limits.

This kind of lifestyle had been glorified in the fast-paced, Ivy-League-striving Bay Area where she'd grown up.

And still... it was never enough. But she kept pushing through anyway, to "maximize" her life and impact.

But what she DIDN'T realize were all the HIDDEN costs she was incurring over the years...

• Chronic stress from the endless to-do's.

• Constant guilt for not doing more for more people.

• Depletion, low energy, mood swings from sleep deprivation, stress eating, lack of self-care and TRUE, deep soul rest.

• All the stress her body was storing.

• The unexplainable itchy rashes, fainting spells, even a seizure.

• Scary 9-1-1 calls and ER visits...

Fast forward to today...

We're both full-time entrepreneurs amidst a very different yet also very similar world of hustle culture, high stakes and even MORE pressure, opportunities to endlessly work and burn ourselves to the ground...

But thank God... we've learned a BETTER WAY to work - and LIVE.

If you've ever wondered:

"Is it NORMAL to wear busyness & perfectionism like a badge?"

"How do I get OUT of these cycles of chronic burnout, which my social events, hangouts, trips, PTO, Netflix, etc. just can't seem to fix?!"

"Why does Jesus tell us we can take his yoke AND live 'freely and lightly'? Is it too good to be true??"

We pray that this testimony episode encourages you. ❤️

Are you tired of devices CONTROLLING your life and attention, INTERRUPTING your focus, and DISTRACTING you from the moments and people who matter most?

In this eye-opening conversation, we sit down with Joey Odom, Co-Founder of Aro: a revolutionary product that leverages the science of habit formation and motivational design to liberate you from the clutches of your phone - so that you stop missing out on what's truly important.

How do we grieve healthily AND find real hope?

We often associate grief with the loss of a loved one, or perhaps a serious tragedy. But grief is much more common (and normal) than we think. It’s a natural part of life’s transitions, unexpected hurts, and a wide variety of challenges.

And yet, most of us were never taught how to grieve well. Instead, we default to pushing our hard emotions to the side and fight to stay “positive” and “have more faith.”

Because deep down, we’re afraid of being so overwhelmed by our losses - that we lose ourselves in the process.

Today, we sit down with Natasha Smith, author of Can You Just Sit with Me?: Healthy Grieving for the Losses of Life. Through her personal journey of navigating 30+ years of painful losses, she shares insights on why healthy grieving matters, as well as how to allow grief to draw us closer to God rather than pull us away.

We also dive into the unspoken aspects of grief and uncomfortable emotions, from "invisible grief" that usually gets overlooked, to managing the tension of grieving honestly WHILE putting our faith in God at the same time.

As Natasha writes, it’s not a matter of getting OVER grief - but of allowing God to help you THROUGH it.

Let’s dive into what that looks like - and step into practical ways of finding hope and healing, even in the midst of real pain and disappointment.

Ever wonder if it's okay for Christians to celebrate Halloween?

It's a question that sometimes comes up in the back of our minds, but one that most of us usually just ignore.

For some, Halloween is just harmless fun with candy and costumes. For others, Halloween is associated with spiritual darkness and should be avoided at all costs.

We believe God invites us to engage with him and do things out of conviction and intention (rather than passivity and ignorance), so it’s worth the thought and conversation to understand WHY we as believers choose to participate (or NOT participate) in any activity–including Halloween.

We invite you to join us with an open mind and heart as we dive into the nuances of Halloween (and other popular celebrations / activities) and faith – and hope you'll find clarity and ideas for how to honor and glorify God in ALL that you do.

What do you do when you aren’t sure if you even believe in God anymore?

“Is Jesus truly worth following? Is God even real? What if this Christianity stuff is all made up?”

We often think of doubt as a bad thing—a hindrance to faith. But what if doubt is actually a vital element of what real faith is?

In this episode, we share our personal journeys and testimonies of walking through doubt, despair, and seeming hopelessness—3 powerful takeaways we still carry with us today.

If you’re questioning your faith, or know someone who is, this episode is for you.

We pray that it gives you comfort knowing you’re not alone, along with strength and hope to keep going.

Do you ever feel bad "wanting" something, when the Bible tells us "I shall not want"?

Join us as we unravel common misconceptions about desire that many Christians hold, share 4 practical tips to help you discern whether your desires align with God's plan, and 3 MORE tips (based on what we've learned ourselves) to help you "hold the tension" of reflecting on your honest desires AND trusting God's goodness and faithfulness.

How do we stand strong in faith, while honestly grappling with unanswered prayers - and all the complex emotions, doubts, and internal tensions that come with them?

Tune in as we share our personal experiences, including Grace journeying through this in singleness and Alex's struggles in less-than-ideal job situations.

Then we unpack five hidden blessings we’ve personally gleaned in these seasons that can be easily overlooked… but once we pay attention to them, we realize are key to our own transformation.

We also share practical tips for how to “wait well” and take care of your heart, mind, and soul when you’re still in the season of “not yet.”

If you're feeling discouraged or find yourself in waves of doubt because of the dreams or desires that haven’t come to fruition yet… you are NOT alone.

We pray this conversation encourages you and equips you with perspectives and tools for greater hope, strength, and endurance to keep going.

What if you were made to be EMPOWERED by the Holy Spirit to excel in your work AND boldly share Jesus through it?

Join us as Christy Childers shares powerful real-life testimonies of God moving in and through corporate workplaces, as well as practical tools and tips for deepening your intimacy with the Holy Spirit amidst busy work schedules, supernaturally multiplying your effectiveness and results, and boldly reflecting and sharing Jesus - wherever you are.

How should Christians approach, develop, and leverage technology and AI through God's lens?

Today, we sit down with Ryan Collins, CEO of Bethel School of Technology and author of The God of Tech, and Briana Collins for an in-depth, thought-provoking conversation on the intersection of faith, technology, and innovation.

We guarantee that this fascinating conversation, which is PACKED full of gems and helpful tools, will inspire and empower you - as we explore how to tap into "spiritual intelligence," discern God's voice and ideas over our own, be conduits of heaven in our workplaces, stay connected with God amidst busyness, use divine strategies for developing and leveraging technology... and so much more.

This is probably one of the MOST IMPORTANT episodes we've recorded to date.

Ever wonder: What is it exactly that's keeping you STUCK?

Whether it's overcoming comparison, fear of people's opinions, imposter syndrome, financial anxiety, chronic stress, burnout, confusion and purposelessness, insert-your-own-struggle-here... today, we're unpacking (like, really unpacking) 3 common barriers to experiencing lasting transformation.

We talk about everything from the impact of our childhood experiences, to how to get out of toxic self-talk cycles, to our heart-mind connection and how to get authentically - and powerfully - connected with God and ourselves.

Join us as we dissect the invisible culprits that could very well be holding you back from seeing the changes you deeply desire, as well as give you practical examples of how to take steps forward.

Join us as we dive into the #1 voted-on topic that you picked in our Instagram poll: the difference between "self-care" & "soul care. "

At times, these terms are used interchangeably or in different ways, so we explore the hidden nuances and explore why embracing both is essential for our lives...

as well as real-life examples and practical ways to engage in self-care and soul care that go beyond cliché and surface-level ideas.

We also address common challenges that prevent us from taking care of ourselves and our souls, and offer actionable tips for overcoming them, based on what's been helpful for us in our personal journeys.

We hope that this conversation helps inspire you with a deeper understanding of why God invites us to care for ourselves holistically - as well as life-giving ideas for how to put that into action.

What if we told you: you might be slowly losing your soul... without you even knowing it?

Alan George sits down with us to share his vulnerable struggles, testimonies, and lessons learned about how his upbringing and experiences led him to discover the importance of spiritual formation and taking care of your soul—which goes way beyond just leadership skills and habit formation.

We break down what spiritual formation is, why it matters, and how it has totally transformed Alan's life and his family.

Practically, we also talk about practices and mindset shifts that can help you cultivate a deep and authentic connection with Jesus and tend to your soul, even in the midst of life's busyness and distractions.

Life is FULL of ups and downs. Our schedules quickly get packed. Our to-do lists often feel endless… and only keep getting longer.

At the same time… God invites us to find REST, peace, and strength we need from him.

But HOW do we practically do that, in the midst of an increasingly fast-paced world?

If there’s anyone who knows this struggle, it’s Anthony Kennada, Co-Founder and CEO of AudiencePlus, and Alex’s former colleague turned friend.

Join us as Anthony shares powerful testimonies (including a life-changing medical miracle) and hard lessons he’s learned throughout his career and journey as an executive leader, marketer, husband, dad… and how God used all of it to ignite a personal revival in him and his family, revealing to them the importance of spiritual practices for thriving in all areas of his life, REGARDLESS of the pace and circumstances.

Who is the Holy Spirit, and what does it actually look like to live Spirit-led?

We often know and hear about the Holy Spirit in terms of people's grand stories or amazing experiences...

Yet, rarely do we get to peel back the layers around actually knowing, hearing, and experiencing the Holy Spirit for ourselves in our real, everyday lives and routines - at home, at work, at church, etc.

We are SUPER excited to share today's episode, because our friend and special guest, Mica Dela Cruz, joins us today to dive into these questions (and more).

We hope that our struggles, lessons, and practical examples will help you cultivate and strengthen your own personal, everyday relationship with God's Spirit.

Because living connected with and empowered by the Holy Spirit will literally change your life.

Ever feel trapped by financial stress, have FOMO about increasing opportunities to make more money, obsessively read articles on side hustles, or just find yourself consumed with endlessly striving for more?

In today's episode, we share our own struggles, testimonies, and lessons learned reassure you that you are not alone in navigating complex tensions around money.

We pray that this conversation helps you step into the true freedom God has for you—not just in your bank account, but in every aspect of your life.

Wondering if you should change your job?

With so much fluctuation happening in the job market, increasing options, the shake-up of COVID, and many more factors… it seems like everyone and their moms are getting new jobs.

Here are some helpful tips on how to view decisions around job transitions through God’s purposes and perspective, as well as thoughts to consider and questions to ask yourself (and God) as you process and discern your decision.